Why Credibility Beats Charisma in Leadership (feat. Steve Farber)
Steve Farber is a bestselling author, sought-after keynote speaker, and seasoned leadership coach and consultant who has worked with a vast array of public and private organizations across virtually every industry. He is the founder and CEO of The Extreme Leadership Institute, whose team has helped more than 25 companies earn a place on Best Places to Work lists.

HOST
Matt Poepsel, PhD
Vice President & Godfather of Talent Optimization

GUEST
Steve Farber
Author, The Radical Promise
Steve Farber has been arguing that love is a legitimate business discipline for over two decades, and people still flinch at the word. Companies print “we love our customers” on buttons and banners without breaking a sweat. Backing it up with policy, budget, and follow-through is where most of them quietly give up. His new book, The Radical Promise, co-written with Jim Kouzes and Barry Posner, makes the case that the real gap in leadership isn’t between people who talk about love and values and people who don’t. It’s between what any leader says and what they actually do.
In this episode, Matt Poepsel sits down with Steve Farber, founder of the Extreme Leadership Institute and author of The Radical Promise, to dig into why “we love our customers” is easy to print and hard to practice, why credibility might be the one trait that actually predicts whether people follow you anywhere, and how a shipping company came back from bankruptcy by asking one uncomfortable question about every policy on the books. Steve breaks down the acronym behind his research, DWYSYWD, do what you say you will do, and argues the gap between the two is where trust quietly erodes, one small unnoticed commitment at a time. Together, they trace what closing that gap actually looks like on a Monday morning, from customer policy down to the lunch plans you forgot you made.
In this episode, you’ll learn:
- The Default Drift: Without deliberate practice, “we love our customers” turns into decoration instead of a standard anyone is held to.
- The DWYSYWD Test: Credibility comes down to a simple, uncomfortable measure: whether your actions match what you said you’d do.
- The Commitment You Didn’t Know You Made: Leaders create credibility gaps without realizing it, and every small one compounds.
- Credibility Plus Vision: Forty years of research point to a two-part answer for why anyone chooses to follow a leader anywhere.
Highlights:
(00:00) Meet Steve Farber
(01:50) Why love makes business people nervous
(07:01) Love as a practice, not a sentiment
(08:17) The Trailer Bridge turnaround
(09:58) Raising the standard beyond satisfaction
(11:30) The credibility formula behind DWYSYWD
(13:38) The commitment you didn’t know you made
(17:01) Three strikes and your credibility is out
(21:59) High tech, high touch
(24:21) Credibility plus vision
Resources:
Follow Steve on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevefarber/
Get Steve’s new book, “The Radical Promise: Mastering the Art of Doing What You Say You Will Do”: https://theradicalpromise.com/
Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/
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