HOST

Matt Poepsel, PhD

Vice President & Godfather of Talent Optimization

GUEST

Elizabeth Rosenberg

Founder + CEO, The Good Advice Company

What if burnout isn’t a warning sign that something is wrong with your job, but a signal that something is misaligned in how you’re living?

Most leaders are conditioned to see exhaustion as a time management problem. But burnout often has less to do with productivity and more to do with the gap between how we live and what our bodies can sustainably handle. Elizabeth Rosenberg, founder of The Good Advice Company, challenges that assumption from personal experience. After years as a global communications executive, a health crisis forced her to confront the personal cost of relentless achievement and rethink the assumptions many leaders make about success, resilience, and well-being.

In this episode, Matt Poepsel sits down with Julian to explore how burnout operates less as a singular breaking point and more as a dynamic feedback loop that varies across individuals. They examine why it can surface in unexpected ways and why recovery is never standardized. Rosenberg makes the case that leadership today depends on awareness as a core capability, particularly the ability to notice early signals of strain before they escalate into crisis.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

  • Burnout as Signal System: Burnout is a feedback signal, not failure, revealing when sustained misalignment exceeds the body’s capacity.
  • Awareness Over Endurance: Leadership effectiveness depends on noticing strain early instead of defaulting to push-through resilience.
  • Purpose Beyond Profession: Meaning strengthens when it’s detached from job identity and sourced from broader lived experience.
  • Intuition in the AI Era: As AI homogenizes thinking, intuition becomes a key edge for judgment in complex, ambiguous decisions.

Highlights:
(00:00) Purpose is more than career success
(01:00) Rethinking burnout as a modern leadership problem
(03:00) When you love your job but still hit burnout
(05:00) How the body forces attention through physical signals
(07:00) Why leaders must model rest and recovery
(09:00) Normalizing vulnerability in high-performing teams
(10:00) Walking away from a high-status career path
(12:00) How AI is changing work identity and communication
(13:00) Defining spiritual health beyond religion and work
(18:00) Intuition as a missing leadership and decision-making skill
(22:00) The risk and reward of public authenticity
(26:00) Intuition, AI, and rebuilding human judgment at scale

Resources:
Follow Elizabeth on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elizabethrosenberg/   

The Good Advice Company’s website: https://www.thegoodadvicecompany.com/ 


Follow Matt on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mattpoepsel/ 
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